nemoObviscae (11:24:35 PM) : a lessor known fictional saint that serves our need.
rout of coyotes (11:25:12 PM) : Perfect. Want that deep middle ages feel.
nemoObviscae (11:25:32 PM) : and it adds a good element of repentance in the mix.
nemoObviscae (11:26:00 PM) : he accidentally killed his parents
rout of coyotes (11:26:35 PM) : Great story!
nemoObviscae (11:27:16 PM) : and i do agree
nemoObviscae (11:27:26 PM) : I do not want our game to become a written heresy
rout of coyotes (11:28:41 PM) : No. Want Catholics to enjoy the similarities, not hate the innaccuracies.
nemoObviscae (11:29:13 PM) : yeah, if anything I want to inspire learning
rout of coyotes (11:29:17 PM) : plus I don't want to tell tales about historical figures, that put them in an undeserved light.
nemoObviscae (11:29:18 PM) : not condemnation.
nemoObviscae (11:29:44 PM) : so by policy we use moslty defrocked saints?
rout of coyotes (11:30:27 PM) : No... just need to fictionalize the recognized ones and change names.
nemoObviscae (11:30:44 PM) : ok
nemoObviscae (11:31:04 PM) : patron saint of courtiers and difficult marriages
nemoObviscae (11:31:11 PM) : lol
rout of coyotes (11:31:36 PM) : So funny.
nemoObviscae (11:32:15 PM) : I don't think there would be many specialty clerics of his order.
nemoObviscae (11:33:01 PM) : they would be seen as an ironic testiment to the difficult marriage of church and state.
rout of coyotes (11:33:12 PM) : yes.
rout of coyotes (11:33:30 PM) : They would be diplomats exclusively
nemoObviscae (11:33:31 PM) : and have a nice sideline as marriage counsolers.
rout of coyotes (11:33:37 PM) : heh!
nemoObviscae (11:34:13 PM) : Henry the 8th could have used one.
nemoObviscae (11:34:14 PM) : lol
rout of coyotes (11:34:33 PM) : He could of used a good kick in the ass...
rout of coyotes (11:34:57 PM) : Ann Boleyn was the right woman.
rout of coyotes (11:35:30 PM) : The best marriage he ever made, and he has her beheaded.
rout of coyotes (11:35:34 PM) : Jackass.
nemoObviscae (11:35:59 PM) : for her niece I think
rout of coyotes (11:38:02 PM) : so, order for administration, good Idea.
nemoObviscae (11:38:13 PM) : yeah
nemoObviscae (11:38:18 PM) : Grummarus it is?
nemoObviscae (11:38:30 PM) : lets leave the apostoles out if it
rout of coyotes (11:38:36 PM) : I thought he was for diplomats?
nemoObviscae (11:38:44 PM) : courtiers in general.
rout of coyotes (11:39:13 PM) : we'll expand his story, perhaps, or add another saint to it.
nemoObviscae (11:39:25 PM) : we can tack on a bit to it
nemoObviscae (11:39:32 PM) : not an unprecidented act
rout of coyotes (11:39:57 PM) : indeed not
nemoObviscae (11:40:04 PM) : and no need to add much
nemoObviscae (11:40:27 PM) : he did attempt to be dimplomatic with his wife about the servants.
rout of coyotes (11:41:20 PM) : truly
nemoObviscae (11:41:47 PM) : so we are just expanding slightly upon the truth
nemoObviscae (11:42:02 PM) : I mean the dragon in the story of Saint George was an angry cult
rout of coyotes (11:42:03 PM) : "truth"
rout of coyotes (11:42:09 PM) : Really?
nemoObviscae (11:42:15 PM) : yup
nemoObviscae (11:42:34 PM) : they were a group that were killing Christians.
rout of coyotes (11:42:39 PM) : ouch.
nemoObviscae (11:43:25 PM) : most of the monsters in Bible were like that, real entities that had to be talked about in another way. At least that is what I was taught.
rout of coyotes (11:44:19 PM) : Interesting perspective. Yes I believe metaphor was employed extensively, for the bible writers were mostly highly educated.
nemoObviscae (11:44:37 PM) : I would have actually prefered the scaly beast, at least it is being true to its nature. The cultists were just being cruel.
rout of coyotes (11:44:47 PM) : true.
nemoObviscae (11:45:03 PM) : They were demanding tribute from a village, usually a goat or something like that.
nemoObviscae (11:45:16 PM) : they ran out of goats to spare and had to give a young woman.
nemoObviscae (11:45:33 PM) : George showed up on his horse and challenged them.
rout of coyotes (11:45:44 PM) : That is good stuff.
nemoObviscae (11:45:48 PM) : Died in the process but was able to spare her.
rout of coyotes (11:45:59 PM) : Oh, Perfect!
rout of coyotes (11:46:05 PM) : Ideal!
nemoObviscae (11:46:26 PM) : thats why he got on so well with the English knights.
nemoObviscae (11:46:35 PM) : they understood him.
rout of coyotes (11:46:37 PM) : He is not only the patron saint of England, but also of Russia.
rout of coyotes (11:46:46 PM) : Bet you didn't know that!
nemoObviscae (11:47:00 PM) : not going to say I did.
rout of coyotes (11:47:02 PM) : Russian knights were pretty damn serious too.
nemoObviscae (11:47:17 PM) : and they have 2 different orders also.
rout of coyotes (11:47:33 PM) : Cool.
nemoObviscae (11:47:39 PM) : Andrew and Peter I think.
nemoObviscae (11:47:52 PM) : with the order of Peter being the highest order.
rout of coyotes (11:47:56 PM) : ok.
rout of coyotes (11:48:14 PM) : Back to your world, who takes care of the poor?
nemoObviscae (11:48:50 PM) : do we want to fold them into the great order of saint Julian?
nemoObviscae (11:48:56 PM) : he did do some of that.
nemoObviscae (11:49:05 PM) : caring for leppers and all.
rout of coyotes (11:49:14 PM) : ehhh...
nemoObviscae (11:49:34 PM) : naa I like Jude
nemoObviscae (11:49:37 PM) : We need him
rout of coyotes (11:49:43 PM) : poor and orphans
nemoObviscae (11:51:14 PM) : we have ophans pretty well coverd with st nick.
rout of coyotes (11:51:20 PM) : oh yeah!
rout of coyotes (11:51:23 PM) : forgot.
nemoObviscae (11:51:37 PM) : I like there being an order of knights of saint nick
rout of coyotes (11:51:43 PM) : so coed order for St. Nick?
nemoObviscae (11:51:50 PM) : I think they should paint thier armor red.
nemoObviscae (11:51:58 PM) : no problems there.
rout of coyotes (11:52:03 PM) : Foster moms and dads
rout of coyotes (11:52:20 PM) : not with eachother, just filling the roles.
rout of coyotes (11:52:57 PM) : I like that.
nemoObviscae (11:53:39 PM) : Nick does both actually
nemoObviscae (11:53:51 PM) : he is the patron saint of pawnbrokers
rout of coyotes (11:53:57 PM) : One for poor and farming?
rout of coyotes (11:54:20 PM) : church run co-ops?
nemoObviscae (11:54:24 PM) : hang on
nemoObviscae (11:54:34 PM) : that sounds like the cistercians.
rout of coyotes (11:54:55 PM) : It would be an important order.
rout of coyotes (11:55:28 PM) : feed the hungry, give a place to the destitute, improve agriculture.
nemoObviscae (11:55:40 PM) : that really sounds like them
rout of coyotes (11:55:46 PM) : Cool!
nemoObviscae (11:55:57 PM) : they were BIG into ag
nemoObviscae (11:56:07 PM) : and improving ag tech
nemoObviscae (11:56:12 PM) : and building things
rout of coyotes (11:56:15 PM) : It would fill a huge need in this reeling society.
rout of coyotes (11:56:52 PM) : what with the decimation of the populace and the economy.
rout of coyotes (11:57:11 PM) : excuse me , halving of the populace.
nemoObviscae (11:57:14 PM) : very true
nemoObviscae (11:57:18 PM) : lol
nemoObviscae (11:57:52 PM) : the cictercians were very strict with the rules
rout of coyotes (11:58:07 PM) : excellent society rebuilders!
nemoObviscae (11:58:23 PM) : yeah, they were sent into places of barbarism
nemoObviscae (11:58:28 PM) : to re civlilze places
nemoObviscae (11:59:10 PM) : thier abbys were always in remote places
nemoObviscae (11:59:15 PM) : (reading the wiki)
rout of coyotes (11:59:34 PM) : I can see them in your world with what are essentially agriculture schools and poorhouses combined in each earldom or duchy.
rout of coyotes (12:00:00 AM) : how many counties in a larger lords domain?
nemoObviscae (12:00:11 AM) : I dunno
nemoObviscae (12:00:18 AM) : I have no reference for that
nemoObviscae (12:00:21 AM) : say 3?
nemoObviscae (12:00:35 AM) : thats a lot of land
rout of coyotes (12:01:13 AM) : Well the Angles called them shires instead of Counties, but the Normans changed that.
rout of coyotes (12:01:48 AM) : different governance.
nemoObviscae (12:01:56 AM) : I like Duty for that nomenclature
nemoObviscae (12:02:09 AM) : it is his Duty to his King and to his people
rout of coyotes (12:02:23 AM) : 1county= 1duty
rout of coyotes (12:02:25 AM) : ?
nemoObviscae (12:02:33 AM) : 3 counties =1 duty
rout of coyotes (12:02:39 AM) : Ah!
rout of coyotes (12:02:42 AM) : yes.
rout of coyotes (12:02:45 AM) : good.
nemoObviscae (12:03:04 AM) : lets use knigts fee as a county
rout of coyotes (12:03:11 AM) : ok.
nemoObviscae (12:03:11 AM) : or should a night be that high up?
nemoObviscae (12:03:16 AM) : a county is a lot of land
rout of coyotes (12:03:27 AM) : In West Texas it sure is.
nemoObviscae (12:03:31 AM) : LOL
rout of coyotes (12:03:31 AM) : 
nemoObviscae (12:03:40 AM) : But you raise a point
nemoObviscae (12:03:52 AM) : I think it should be judged by the ouput and not the size
rout of coyotes (12:04:41 AM) : half days ride = length of a County?
rout of coyotes (12:04:58 AM) : or less,
rout of coyotes (12:05:09 AM) : just need a measure.
nemoObviscae (12:05:19 AM) : All of west TX could be one county and produce the same Ag output as a smaller section of land in the central areas
rout of coyotes (12:05:21 AM) : half day's walk?
nemoObviscae (12:05:33 AM) : well I like the idea from the magna carta
rout of coyotes (12:05:39 AM) : ok, output rather than size.
nemoObviscae (12:05:47 AM) : we could do it either way
rout of coyotes (12:05:48 AM) : better, fairer taxation.
nemoObviscae (12:06:05 AM) : but the Magna Carta stated it as being what an ox could plow in a day
nemoObviscae (12:06:22 AM) : that was a section of land
rout of coyotes (12:06:52 AM) : ok... couple of acres?
rout of coyotes (12:07:04 AM) : fuck, I don't know.
nemoObviscae (12:07:10 AM) : modern definition is something like a sqare mile.
rout of coyotes (12:07:19 AM) : I can handle that.
rout of coyotes (12:07:33 AM) : how many sections in a Fee?
nemoObviscae (12:07:53 AM) : actually its 640 acres
nemoObviscae (12:07:57 AM) : thats a lot of damn land
rout of coyotes (12:08:07 AM) : square mile?
nemoObviscae (12:08:11 AM) : a section
rout of coyotes (12:08:17 AM) : ah.
rout of coyotes (12:08:30 AM) : yeah it is.
nemoObviscae (12:08:48 AM) : a section= a sqare mile
nemoObviscae (12:08:50 AM) : I was right
nemoObviscae (12:08:51 AM) : ok
nemoObviscae (12:09:04 AM) : cuz thats about what we own out there.
rout of coyotes (12:09:11 AM) : Damn.
rout of coyotes (12:09:42 AM) : call that a fee?
nemoObviscae (12:09:51 AM) : I am ok with that.
nemoObviscae (12:10:18 AM) : the old formula used 32 fees to a township
rout of coyotes (12:10:21 AM) : Ok. established A Knight's Fee is 1 square mile.
nemoObviscae (12:11:00 AM) : that puts 1 lord over about 32 knights
rout of coyotes (12:11:23 AM) : 1 Duty = 32 fees.
nemoObviscae (12:12:04 AM) : if we do it the other way
nemoObviscae (12:12:23 AM) : its an area of land that produces about 20lbs sterling per season.
rout of coyotes (12:13:04 AM) : meh, the physical is more important to adventurers.
nemoObviscae (12:13:16 AM) : interestingly enough
nemoObviscae (12:13:51 AM) : the fee that the pesants payed to work the knights fee was about 1/5th the value of the fee.
rout of coyotes (12:14:26 AM) : Responsibly administrated Feudalism works.
nemoObviscae (12:14:40 AM) : okes let me post that.
rout of coyotes (12:15:02 AM) : Square mile= 640 acres =Knight's Fee
32 Knight's Fees = 1 Duty.
32 Knight's Fees = 1 Duty.
nemoObviscae (12:16:08 AM) : ok
rout of coyotes (12:16:12 AM) : Btw, can't find your blog info
rout of coyotes (12:16:23 AM) : I'll copy it down this time.
nemoObviscae (12:16:32 AM) : http://samwyz.blogspot.com/
nemoObviscae (12:16:40 AM) : just bookmark it.
nemoObviscae (12:16:47 AM) : thats what I did
nemoObviscae (12:17:11 AM) : oh, to edit, its my email address and the password is s3renity.
rout of coyotes (12:17:40 AM) : that's what I was looking for.
rout of coyotes (12:18:40 AM) : ok.
nemoObviscae (12:20:17 AM) : extrapolating out.
nemoObviscae (12:20:42 AM) : if each pesant pays 1/5 a nights fee per season then it takes about 5 families to work a fee.
rout of coyotes (12:21:04 AM) : yes.
nemoObviscae (12:21:31 AM) : unless they have lots of productive members of the family.
rout of coyotes (12:21:41 AM) : 5 sets of 8 people including at least one invalid?
rout of coyotes (12:22:01 AM) : or just oldster?
nemoObviscae (12:22:10 AM) : I would think that a family of 8 would be kind smallish.
nemoObviscae (12:22:17 AM) : with 15 being big
rout of coyotes (12:22:26 AM) : Well, disease, Sam.
nemoObviscae (12:22:35 AM) : and poligamists having about 20
nemoObviscae (12:22:40 AM) : or more.
rout of coyotes (12:22:43 AM) : headpalm
nemoObviscae (12:22:49 AM) : ?
nemoObviscae (12:23:05 AM) : oh
rout of coyotes (12:23:07 AM) : polygamy? really Sam?
rout of coyotes (12:23:28 AM) : ok. just kinda anachronistic.
nemoObviscae (12:23:53 AM) : right, I mean it was fine and good religous practice well after Christ came.
nemoObviscae (12:24:27 AM) : for Jews anyway.
rout of coyotes (12:24:46 AM) : Given. Only Elders and Deaconi needed to be the husband of just one wife
nemoObviscae (12:25:16 AM) : but most families don't work that way.
rout of coyotes (12:25:26 AM) : Yeah.
nemoObviscae (12:25:35 AM) : and I think that the church would kinda look the other way when things worked out that way.
rout of coyotes (12:25:47 AM) : So rare but not unheard of.
nemoObviscae (12:26:01 AM) : and perhaps send them a priest of Saint G.
rout of coyotes (12:26:16 AM) : to the township at least.
nemoObviscae (12:26:21 AM) : yeah
nemoObviscae (12:26:32 AM) : you know that there are going to be some real hens in that place.
nemoObviscae (12:26:33 AM) : lol
rout of coyotes (12:26:46 AM) : good practice to have one each township.
rout of coyotes (12:26:53 AM) : just because.
nemoObviscae (12:27:02 AM) : true, but not many to go around
nemoObviscae (12:27:14 AM) : would not be supprised to see them travel.
rout of coyotes (12:27:21 AM) : They would be the ones to perform the marriages.
nemoObviscae (12:27:45 AM) : every cleric can marry, its the afterwards that they care about.
rout of coyotes (12:28:13 AM) : ok. but the duties of the position may make that more rare.
nemoObviscae (12:29:23 AM) : I would tend to think that a lecture from SG would be manditory for every aspairant.
rout of coyotes (12:29:44 AM) : they would have a circuit of townships, and take on up to two acolytes.
rout of coyotes (12:30:00 AM) : maybe three, for theme's sake.
nemoObviscae (12:30:02 AM) : lol and they would bring some poor bastard and his wife with them
nemoObviscae (12:30:22 AM) : sorta like a chacelry play version of jerry springer.
rout of coyotes (12:30:38 AM) : you are a sick man. I like it.
nemoObviscae (12:31:07 AM) : the would seek out the most mismatched couple and prod them into it.
nemoObviscae (12:31:09 AM) : lol
rout of coyotes (12:31:51 AM) : ha! and provide free counseling as repayment, and set someone to watch their interests for the duration of the tour.
rout of coyotes (12:32:13 AM) : sorry, donation free counseling.
nemoObviscae (12:32:36 AM) : exactly
nemoObviscae (12:32:49 AM) : but they would always be willing to accept from the crowd
rout of coyotes (12:33:01 AM) : It's live punch and judy!
nemoObviscae (12:33:07 AM) : exactly
nemoObviscae (12:33:08 AM) : lol
nemoObviscae (12:33:16 AM) : and church to boot
rout of coyotes (12:33:25 AM) : medieval audiences would eat it up with both hands!
rout of coyotes (12:33:43 AM) : Padded boffer bats!
nemoObviscae (12:33:43 AM) : too true
rout of coyotes (12:34:09 AM) : no, pillows!
nemoObviscae (12:34:19 AM) : you would have to have some guard on hand to make sure they don't kill each other.
rout of coyotes (12:34:45 AM) : like stuffed bags of mown grass
nemoObviscae (12:35:05 AM) : Ow hay.
nemoObviscae (12:35:12 AM) : hay is kinda sharp dude.
rout of coyotes (12:35:25 AM) : something non lethal, at least...
nemoObviscae (12:35:30 AM) : well down pillows
nemoObviscae (12:35:39 AM) : or bags of sawdust
nemoObviscae (12:35:44 AM) : its dusty but non leathal
nemoObviscae (12:35:50 AM) : and cheap to produce
rout of coyotes (12:35:51 AM) : expensive stuff, dude the down.
nemoObviscae (12:35:56 AM) : yeah
rout of coyotes (12:36:15 AM) : or powdered chalk!
nemoObviscae (12:36:27 AM) : that can get very heavy but yes
rout of coyotes (12:36:28 AM) : big clouds, funny white spots!
nemoObviscae (12:37:00 AM) : well yeah, but I think this is going a bit too far from the cautionary tale to just plain slapstick.
rout of coyotes (12:37:24 AM) : sorry. just not much difference to a medieval audience.
nemoObviscae (12:37:34 AM) : true
rout of coyotes (12:37:49 AM) : little bags.
nemoObviscae (12:37:53 AM) : ok
rout of coyotes (12:39:22 AM) : As a starter of the show, message about how to handle your spouse, then the boffing, and ends with application of the message.
rout of coyotes (12:40:00 AM) : And a blessing of the married couples who remain for the entire service.
nemoObviscae (12:40:51 AM) : I would start with a cautionary tale of woe about how suffering a bad marriage is a form of contrition ect
nemoObviscae (12:41:28 AM) : then the exhibit with questions from the audience.
rout of coyotes (12:42:05 AM) : we can write up more detail for that in a section devoted to religious life.
nemoObviscae (12:42:10 AM) : I am.
nemoObviscae (12:42:15 AM) : its called mother church and you.
No comments:
Post a Comment